D R A F T – run this thing through google translate

Source:  Le Devoir, xxx xxx xxxx“Jean Marchand: planification par l’Etat” – double headline with a super-title. “F.-A. Angers: planification provinciale”.  Plusieurs articles intéressants dans cette issue sur la planification, et sur l’incident de « Donald Gordon ».  Télécharger le journal complet du 22 novembre 1962. //// Link this to BANQ page with the actual newspaper to download. //////

“Jean Marchand: Planning by the State” /  “F.-A. Angers:  Provincial planning”.

● Jean Marchand:  Planning by the State
● F.-A. Angers:  Provincial Planning

According to Jean Marchand

QUEBEC CITY — According to Mr. Jean Marchand, general chairman of the CSN in Canada, “we need planning, or else the initiative of the State must be preponderant, at least for awhile, and the use of the State enterprise prominent”.  Mr. Marchand took the podium yesterday morning at the Congrès des affaires canadiennes during a session whose theme was&nbsps:  “The role of the State in business”.

The chairman of the CSN explained that he began with the principle that an economy, whatever the wealth of goods and services it produces, does not fulfill its function if it does not allow the greatest number to benefit from these goods and services in the greatest possible liberty.  The Canadian economy, according to him, does not currently allow such consumption.  This economy is much too dependent on the American economy and the unemployed are, comparatively, increasingly numerous.

Faced with this, the action of the various governments is pretty much worthless.  “Provincial government enterprises have been rare, and finicking”.  The federal government puts a bit more decorum perhaps and administrative efficiency into its action, but that is all, it too does not act.

Mr. Marchand briefly described State initiatives in three European countries, Sweden*, the United Kingdom, and France*, to try to see what might possibly be done in Canada.

From the example of these three countries, he concludes that “planning will be more State-side, therefore more explicit in our parliamentary democracies and presumably will make greater use of the State enterprise, if consumers are farther from power and the economic structure is less capable of doing it itself.”

It is on the basis of this general conclusion that Mr. Mar­chand affirms that in Canada, the State initiative must be preponderant “because private interests constitute the dominant political force in our political life and in addition, our economic structure is quite precarious …”

For “those who would make a point of knowing at all costs” exactly how far the State enterprise can go, Mr. Marchand affirms that “if the circumstance justify it and the economy can thus fulfill its function, the private business can be used everywhere, except in those sectors responding to essential needs:  education, health, radio and television broadcasting; if on the other hand circumstances call for the use of the public enterprise, recourse might be had to the point where the possibility was allowed to the man who wanted to live on the margin of this economic system to privately acquire the means of production necessary to earn a living for himself and his family as he sees fit.”
 

Selon F.-A. Angers

Par Evelyn GAGNON

QUEBEC CITY. — Mr. François-Albert Angers, economis­t, said yesterday, at the Congrès des affaires canadiennes, that planning must be done solely at the provincial level, in Canada, and that it must be built up from the base [grass roots?].

Mr. Angers, who is Director of the Institute of Applied Economics a the HEC, spoke, along with Mr. T. C. Douglas, in the second session of the Congrès des Affaires canadiennes de La­val, a session whose theme was “Economic planning in Canada:  necessary or futile”.

Mr. Angers objected to the said title of the session, affir­ming that even the most convinced liberalists would not juxtapose the words planning and futility.  Liberalists, he said, perhaps would speak of the dangers of planning, and there are dangers, according to him, but they certainly would not speak of its futility.

“I was chosen as the opponent to Mr. Douglas, underscores Mr. Angers, because of my reputation, my overrated reputation, as an unrepentant liberal … there will be disappointments”.

Indeed, Mr. Angers pointed out that his generation’s team, with which he had worked for a quarter of a century, the team of “So-

At page 7, read two more articles on the Congrès des affaires canadiennes.  Mr.  T. C. Douglas says that full employment is the first goal of planning.  Mr. Gilles Grégoire explains to the conference the distinction he makes between nationaliza­tion and public ownership.

cial weeks of Canada”, of the Action nationale and of Action corporative, were the first to call for planning.  He underscored that the youth of today unfamiliar with this period of the history of the province except through the writings of Pierre-Elliot Trudeau and Cité Libre do not doubt this standpoint, and think they invented planning.**

Mr. Angers cited a few texts, one by Mr. Esdras Minville, dating from 1927, the other by himself, dating from 1937, which among other things called for “the organization of the economy according to a logical order.”

But according to Mr. Angers, to be faithful to the objectives of men of his generation who demanded planning, planning must be done “from the base”.***  In this respect, On this subject, he protested against the definition given by the report of the Conseil d’orientation économique on this form of planning, because it defined planning from the base as a kind of spontaneous generation where the government would have no role.

True planning from the base, in which all the economic agents of society would participate, seems the sole method acceptable to Mr. Angers.  He believes that putting everything into the hands of parliament, on the pretext that it is

Voir p 2:  Selon M. Angers

Selon M. Angers,–

(Suite de la première page)

elected by universal suffrage every four years, is unacceptable.

The danger of planning from the top, solely by the government, according to him, is that the needs of the population are defined in terms of what the experts think they are, and not what they really are.  This danger still exists today, according to Mr. Angers, in the creation of regional economic councils, whose directors may tend to adopt a bureaucratic and paternal attitude.

///// Planning from the top, he said, reminds me of these poor victims of thalidomide, without arms and legs, capable of understanding things, but without limbs capable of executing their projects”. ////

Provincial governments alone must be responsible for developing planning, according to Mr. Angers; the federal government contenting itself with coordinating the efforts, especially at the level of financial and fiscal policy.

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Notes: generating racism via sedition so they can break up the country to get the power to do a communist plan! All happening simultaneously. Calling for “association”, “state planning”, “provincial planning”, new (non-ethnic) flag of Canada, bringing in Carl Goldenberg, generating hatred for Canada, paving way for the FLQ disguised as “patriotes” to create the problem they plan to “solve” by dismantling Canada.

Notes: wht they seem to be doing within 48 hours after the Gordon attack by Gilles Gregoire (one of the speakers in the conference above), is trying to soften up their audience with a half-way approach to state planning.  Perhaps they hope to fend off any unfriendly observers in the USA while they simultaneously have gone on the attack to break up Canada precisely so they can do full-blown planning on the Yugoslav model.

 
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* Cite Pissaro and the businessman in the Radio-CBC 1982 round table, both identifying the system proposed in the 1972 PQ plan as the Yugoslav model; while the businessman took strong issue against the allegation that the model was Sweden or even France; the CBC radio show description referred to Sweden. The businessman made it clear the PQ is looking at the Communist model in the Baltics. It thus appears that in these headlines in November 1962, the advocates of state planning are attempting to win a degree of public support by presenting the notion in what might be called a “half-way to Moscow” fashion; all the while in fact moving rapidly, decisively, by sedition and other means involving penetration and infiltration, to dismantle Canada for the full-blown version in the Baltics.
 
** We can now add to the “City-state” (free city) objective of Cité Libre the further objective of socialist planning by the city-state. (Wasn’t previously aware that CL advocated planning.)
 
*** ///// (from the grass-roots? Or does he mean the city is the base?)////